Jeff Tweedy on the Best and Worst of Wilco

Jeff Tweedy is aware that some fans think he made his best album 20 years ago, but he’s most proud whatever he’s working on now. He’s especially proud Ode to Joy, Wilco’s upcoming 11th album. It’s the first Wilco album in over a decade that has teeth. Baby teeth, but still: Listening to these aching, minimalist songs is like revisiting a growing pain you thought you took care long ago that has come back in a new and frightening way. In honor the old and new, here’s Tweedy engaging with some the most and least and best and worst Wilco.

Best Wilco Song

It’s always the song I’m working on that’s my favorite. As far as evaluating older songs and songs that I’ve already written, I’m not the best at it. But f the new album] I’ll say “Quiet Amplifier,” because I think it’s a really successful experiment. That song became the overall template for the record in terms a cohesive sonic landscape. I think everything else is kind contained in that song. The drum sound and melodic sensibility — there’s a restraint to it, but it also seems sort violent in some weird way.

Worst Wilco Song

That’s a lot easier. A few years ago, we played all the songs we had ever recorded and released in a series shows in Chicago. There were only a couple that I really felt bad about playing. I just thought the songs were total dog shit. And one them was f the first record, “I Thought I Held You.” I introduced it as being the most dog-shit song the whole batch, and people were like, “Aww,” and I realized that some people really liked that song. And then I felt bad. I’ve probably written worse songs.

Most Surprising Use “Jesus, Etc.”

Swisher Sweets did a video a few years ago where they played that song for a bunch different people who had never heard it before and asked them what it means. The reaction to it is mostly positive, but they’re all like, “Each star is a setting sun”; “That’s factually correct”; “That’s tight.”

Favorite to Play Live

Right now, it’s probably “Reservations” f Yankee Hotel Foxtrot. The arrangement we’ve been playing lately is so precarious feeling. It seems so unsettlingly naked that even a loud audience kind gets quiet. I enjoy that sensation.

Least Favorite to Play Live

“California Stars” is a bit a slog sometimes, just because it’s the same two verses as four verses, but you just repeat the first two verses. But we do a good job making it pretty fresh to ourselves every night.

Song You Wished More People Requested You Play Live

Maybe “Magnetized” f Star Wars or “Happiness” f Schmilco. Something f the last two records. I don’t want to say they were underappreciated, but they were maybe undersold?

Song That Sounds the Most Like Your Hometown

“Via Chicago” sounds like an obvious choice, but there was an effort to try and re-create the sensation walking underneath the L tracks. Basically, trying to have a conversation with someone you’re walking with and having it be completely destroyed or undermined by this brutal noise. I don’t think we did a good job it, actually. I think we got better at doing it live.

Favorite Lyrics

I don’t think there are any that I don’t wish I could change or make better. I always want to get better. I thought the song “Common Sense” on the last record had some pretty powerful lyrics that were maybe undermined a little by some the quirkiness that recording.

Least Favorite Lyrics

It’s not a Wilco song, but in “The Ruling Class,” by my side project] Loose Fur, I sing, “You better turn your frown upside down / Christ is on his way across town.” That’s just terrible.

Favorite Song f the New Album

My favorite songs are generally the songs that I feel like someone else could have written or someone else could sing, where I feel like I tapped into something that is just a classic songwriting kind thing. “White Wooden Cross” to me is one those types songs where I can hear a lot different people singing it. A lot different people might have been able to write it, if they had been in the right circumstance. Your requirements aren’t as personalized.

Favorite Guitar Moment

The moment where all three guitars start harmonizing during the end the solo “Impossible Germany.” It’s still something you look forward to every night because it just feels so good. It sounds so good to my ears still, and there’s a visceral reaction in the audience almost every night.

Most Secretly Political Song

I guess the secret to me is that I think all art that has any possibility changing someone’s perception is political. Any art that ends up saying to someone, “It doesn’t have to be this way” is a political moment in someone’s life. It was a political moment when I discovered music and was encouraged to challenge my environment’s view the world. And that wasn’t from just what the lyrics were saying. It was from the idea that you could empower yourself with art. That you could invent yourself. That you could create. A lot people become convinced that they can’t do that. I think encouraging people to think that they can do that is political.

So, I guess all them?

Song You’re Most Proud Writing

The thing I would be most proud writing is whatever song seems to mean the most to other people. For me, as a songwriter, it’s not just Wilco. It’s having written “You Are Not Alone” for Mavis Staples to sing. That means a lot to me because it means a lot to her, and it seems to mean a lot to other people. The other one would be “California Stars,” because I got to contribute to Woody Guthrie’s presence in the world.

*A version this article appears in the September 2, 2019, issue  New York Magazine. Now!

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